diff --git a/orchid-async-utils/src/cancel_cleanup.rs b/orchid-async-utils/src/cancel_cleanup.rs
index 22aebe2..4ae56e1 100644
--- a/orchid-async-utils/src/cancel_cleanup.rs
+++ b/orchid-async-utils/src/cancel_cleanup.rs
@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ mod test {
 
 	#[test]
 	fn not_called_if_finished() {
-		spin_on(false, async {
+		spin_on(async {
 			let (mut req_in, mut req_out) = mpsc::channel(0);
 			let (mut rep_in, mut rep_out) = mpsc::channel(0);
 			join(
diff --git a/orchid-async-utils/src/debug.rs b/orchid-async-utils/src/debug.rs
index 6b01aa2..6a0a455 100644
--- a/orchid-async-utils/src/debug.rs
+++ b/orchid-async-utils/src/debug.rs
@@ -143,15 +143,26 @@ pub fn eprint_stream_events<'a, S: Stream + 'a>(
 	)
 }
 
+thread_local! {
+	static WAKE_LODUD: RefCell<bool> = const { RefCell::new(false) };
+}
+
+/// Equivalent to [spin_on], but also logs on wake
+pub fn spin_on_loud<Fut: Future>(fut: Fut) -> Fut::Output {
+	let prev = WAKE_LODUD.replace(true);
+	let ret = spin_on(fut);
+	WAKE_LODUD.set(prev);
+	ret
+}
+
 struct SpinWaker {
 	repeat: AtomicBool,
-	loud: bool,
 }
 impl Wake for SpinWaker {
 	fn wake(self: Arc<Self>) {
 		self.repeat.store(true, Ordering::SeqCst);
-		if self.loud {
-			eprintln!("Triggered repeat for spin_on")
+		if WAKE_LODUD.with_borrow(|k| *k) {
+			eprintln!("{Label} Triggered repeat for spin_on")
 		}
 	}
 }
@@ -160,11 +171,13 @@ impl Wake for SpinWaker {
 /// keeps synchronously waking itself. This is useful for deterministic tests
 /// that don't contain side effects or threading.
 ///
+/// Use [spin_on_loud] to get messages on wake for debugging
+///
 /// # Panics
 ///
 /// If the future doesn't wake itself and doesn't settle.
-pub fn spin_on<Fut: Future>(loud: bool, f: Fut) -> Fut::Output {
-	let spin_waker = Arc::new(SpinWaker { repeat: AtomicBool::new(false), loud });
+pub fn spin_on<Fut: Future>(f: Fut) -> Fut::Output {
+	let spin_waker = Arc::new(SpinWaker { repeat: AtomicBool::new(false) });
 	let mut f = pin!(f);
 	let waker = spin_waker.clone().into();
 	let mut cx = Context::from_waker(&waker);
diff --git a/orchid-base/src/comm.rs b/orchid-base/src/comm.rs
index f840047..abcdb70 100644
--- a/orchid-base/src/comm.rs
+++ b/orchid-base/src/comm.rs
@@ -354,7 +354,7 @@ struct ReplySub {
 	cb: oneshot::Sender<ReplyRecord>,
 }
 
-struct IoClient {
+pub struct IoClient {
 	output: IoLock<dyn AsyncWrite>,
 	id: Rc<RefCell<u64>>,
 	subscribe: Rc<Sender<ReplySub>>,
@@ -491,30 +491,33 @@ impl MsgWriter for IoNotifWriter {
 	}
 }
 
-pub struct CommCtx {
+pub struct CommCx {
 	exit: Sender<()>,
 }
 
-impl CommCtx {
+impl CommCx {
 	pub async fn exit(self) -> io::Result<()> {
 		self.exit.clone().send(()).await.expect("quit channel dropped");
 		Ok(())
 	}
 }
 
+pub struct IoComm {
+	pub client: IoClient,
+	pub cx: CommCx,
+	pub srv: IoCommServer,
+}
+
 /// Establish bidirectional request-notification communication over a duplex
 /// channel. The returned [IoClient] can be used for notifications immediately,
 /// but requests can only be received while the future is running. The future
 /// will only resolve when [CommCtx::exit] is called.
-pub fn io_comm(
-	o: Pin<Box<dyn AsyncWrite>>,
-	i: Pin<Box<dyn AsyncRead>>,
-) -> (impl Client + 'static, CommCtx, IoCommServer) {
+pub fn io_comm(o: Pin<Box<dyn AsyncWrite>>, i: Pin<Box<dyn AsyncRead>>) -> IoComm {
 	let i = Rc::new(Mutex::new(i));
 	let o = Rc::new(Mutex::new(o));
 	let (onsub, client) = IoClient::new(o.clone());
 	let (exit, onexit) = channel(1);
-	(client, CommCtx { exit }, IoCommServer { o, i, onsub, onexit })
+	IoComm { client, cx: CommCx { exit }, srv: IoCommServer { o, i, onsub, onexit } }
 }
 pub struct IoCommServer {
 	o: Rc<Mutex<Pin<Box<dyn AsyncWrite>>>>,
@@ -657,53 +660,61 @@ impl IoCommServer {
 }
 
 #[cfg(test)]
-mod test {
+pub mod test {
 	use std::cell::RefCell;
 
 	use futures::channel::mpsc;
-	use futures::{FutureExt, SinkExt, StreamExt, join, select};
+	use futures::future::{join3, select};
+	use futures::{SinkExt, StreamExt};
 	use orchid_api_derive::{Coding, Hierarchy};
 	use orchid_api_traits::Request;
 	use orchid_async_utils::debug::{spin_on, with_label};
 	use unsync_pipe::pipe;
 
-	use crate::comm::{ClientExt, MsgReaderExt, ReqReaderExt, io_comm};
+	use super::*;
 	use crate::with_stash;
 
+	pub fn test_pair() -> (IoComm, IoComm) {
+		let (right_in, left_out) = pipe(1024);
+		let (left_in, right_out) = pipe(1024);
+		(
+			io_comm(Box::pin(left_in), Box::pin(left_out)),
+			io_comm(Box::pin(right_in), Box::pin(right_out)),
+		)
+	}
+
+	pub async fn listen_no_ingress(srv: IoCommServer) {
+		srv
+			.listen(
+				async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress notif"),
+				async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress req"),
+			)
+			.await
+			.unwrap()
+	}
+
 	#[derive(Clone, Debug, PartialEq, Coding, Hierarchy)]
 	#[extendable]
 	struct TestNotif(u64);
 
 	#[test]
 	fn notification() {
-		spin_on(false, async {
-			let (in1, out2) = pipe(1024);
-			let (in2, out1) = pipe(1024);
-			let (received, mut on_receive) = mpsc::channel(2);
-			let (_, recv_ctx, recv_srv) = io_comm(Box::pin(in2), Box::pin(out2));
-			let (sender, ..) = io_comm(Box::pin(in1), Box::pin(out1));
-			join!(
-				async {
-					recv_srv
-						.listen(
-							async |notif| {
-								received.clone().send(notif.read::<TestNotif>().await?).await.unwrap();
-								Ok(())
-							},
-							async |_| panic!("Should receive notif, not request"),
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap()
-				},
-				async {
-					sender.notify(TestNotif(3)).await.unwrap();
-					assert_eq!(on_receive.next().await, Some(TestNotif(3)));
-					sender.notify(TestNotif(4)).await.unwrap();
-					assert_eq!(on_receive.next().await, Some(TestNotif(4)));
-					recv_ctx.exit().await.unwrap();
-				}
-			);
-		})
+		let (left, right) = test_pair();
+		let (received, mut on_receive) = mpsc::channel(2);
+		let right_srv_fut = right.srv.listen(
+			async |notif| {
+				received.clone().send(notif.read::<TestNotif>().await?).await.unwrap();
+				Ok(())
+			},
+			async |_| panic!("Should receive notif, not request"),
+		);
+		spin_on(join(async { right_srv_fut.await.unwrap() }, async {
+			left.client.notify(TestNotif(3)).await.unwrap();
+			assert_eq!(on_receive.next().await, Some(TestNotif(3)));
+			left.client.notify(TestNotif(4)).await.unwrap();
+			assert_eq!(on_receive.next().await, Some(TestNotif(4)));
+			right.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+		}));
 	}
 
 	#[derive(Clone, Debug, Coding, Hierarchy)]
@@ -715,140 +726,144 @@ mod test {
 
 	#[test]
 	fn request() {
-		spin_on(false, async {
-			let (in1, out2) = pipe(1024);
-			let (in2, out1) = pipe(1024);
-			let (_, srv_ctx, srv) = io_comm(Box::pin(in2), Box::pin(out2));
-			let (client, client_ctx, client_srv) = io_comm(Box::pin(in1), Box::pin(out1));
-			join!(
-				async {
-					srv
-						.listen(
-							async |_| panic!("No notifs expected"),
-							async |mut req| {
-								let val = req.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
-								req.reply(&val, val.0 + 1).await
-							},
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap()
-				},
-				async {
-					client_srv
-						.listen(
-							async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress notif"),
-							async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress req"),
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap()
-				},
-				async {
-					let response = client.request(DummyRequest(5)).await.unwrap();
-					assert_eq!(response, 6);
-					srv_ctx.exit().await.unwrap();
-					client_ctx.exit().await.unwrap();
-				}
-			);
-		})
+		let (left, right) = test_pair();
+		let right_srv_fut = right.srv.listen(
+			async |_| panic!("No notifs expected"),
+			async |mut req| {
+				let val = req.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
+				req.reply(&val, val.0 + 1).await
+			},
+		);
+		let left_srv_fut = left.srv.listen(
+			async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress notif"),
+			async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress req"),
+		);
+		spin_on(join3(
+			async { right_srv_fut.await.unwrap() },
+			async { left_srv_fut.await.unwrap() },
+			async {
+				let response = left.client.request(DummyRequest(5)).await.unwrap();
+				assert_eq!(response, 6);
+				right.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+				left.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+			},
+		));
 	}
 
 	#[test]
 	fn exit() {
-		spin_on(false, async {
-			let (input1, output1) = pipe(1024);
-			let (input2, output2) = pipe(1024);
-			let (reply_client, reply_context, reply_server) =
-				io_comm(Box::pin(input1), Box::pin(output2));
-			let (req_client, req_context, req_server) = io_comm(Box::pin(input2), Box::pin(output1));
-			let reply_context = RefCell::new(Some(reply_context));
-			let (exit, onexit) = futures::channel::oneshot::channel::<()>();
-			join!(
-				with_label("reply", async move {
-					reply_server
-						.listen(
-							async |hand| {
-								let _notif = hand.read::<TestNotif>().await.unwrap();
-								let context = reply_context.borrow_mut().take().unwrap();
-								context.exit().await?;
-								Ok(())
-							},
-							async |mut hand| {
-								let req = hand.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
-								hand.reply(&req, req.0 + 1).await
-							},
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap();
-					exit.send(()).unwrap();
-					let _client = reply_client;
-				}),
-				with_label("client", async move {
-					req_server
-						.listen(
-							async |_| panic!("Only the other server expected notifs"),
-							async |_| panic!("Only the other server expected requests"),
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap();
-					let _ctx = req_context;
-				}),
-				async move {
-					req_client.request(DummyRequest(0)).await.unwrap();
-					req_client.notify(TestNotif(0)).await.unwrap();
-					onexit.await.unwrap();
-				}
-			)
-		});
+		let (left, right) = test_pair();
+		let reply_context = RefCell::new(Some(right.cx));
+		let (exit, onexit) = oneshot::channel::<()>();
+		let right_srv_fut = right.srv.listen(
+			async |hand| {
+				let _notif = hand.read::<TestNotif>().await.unwrap();
+				let context = reply_context.borrow_mut().take().unwrap();
+				context.exit().await?;
+				Ok(())
+			},
+			async |mut hand| {
+				let req = hand.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
+				hand.reply(&req, req.0 + 1).await
+			},
+		);
+		let left_srv_fut = left.srv.listen(
+			async |_| panic!("Only the other server expected notifs"),
+			async |_| panic!("Only the other server expected requests"),
+		);
+		spin_on(join3(
+			with_label("reply", async move {
+				right_srv_fut.await.unwrap();
+				exit.send(()).unwrap();
+				let _client = right.client;
+			}),
+			with_label("client", async move {
+				left_srv_fut.await.unwrap();
+				let _ctx = left.cx;
+			}),
+			async move {
+				left.client.request(DummyRequest(0)).await.unwrap();
+				left.client.notify(TestNotif(0)).await.unwrap();
+				onexit.await.unwrap();
+			},
+		));
 	}
 
 	#[test]
 	fn timely_cancel() {
-		spin_on(false, async {
-			let (in1, out2) = pipe(1024);
-			let (in2, out1) = pipe(1024);
-			let (wait_in, mut wait_out) = mpsc::channel(0);
-			let (_, srv_ctx, srv) = io_comm(Box::pin(in2), Box::pin(out2));
-			let (client, client_ctx, client_srv) = io_comm(Box::pin(in1), Box::pin(out1));
-			join!(
-				with_label("server", async {
-					srv
-						.listen(
-							async |_| panic!("No notifs expected"),
-							async |mut req| {
-								let _ = req.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
-								let _ = req.finish().await;
-								wait_in.clone().send(()).await.unwrap();
-								// This will never return, so if the cancellation does not work, it would block
-								// the loop
-								futures::future::pending().await
-							},
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap();
-				}),
-				with_label("client", async {
-					client_srv
-						.listen(
-							async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress notif"),
-							async |_| panic!("Not expecting ingress req"),
-						)
-						.await
-						.unwrap();
-				}),
+		let (left, right) = test_pair();
+		let (wait_in, mut wait_out) = mpsc::channel(0);
+		let right_srv_fut = right.srv.listen(
+			async |_| panic!("No notifs expected"),
+			async |mut req| {
+				let _ = req.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
+				let _ = req.finish().await;
+				wait_in.clone().send(()).await.unwrap();
+				// This will never return, so if the cancellation does not work, it would block
+				// the loop
+				futures::future::pending().await
+			},
+		);
+		spin_on(join3(
+			with_label("server", async { right_srv_fut.await.unwrap() }),
+			with_label("client", listen_no_ingress(left.srv)),
+			with_label(
+				"outer_stash",
 				with_stash(async {
 					with_stash(async {
-						select! {
-							_ = client.request(DummyRequest(5)).fuse() => {
-								panic!("This one should not run")
-							},
-							rep = wait_out.next() => rep.expect("something?"),
-						}
+						select(
+							Box::pin(async {
+								left.client.request(DummyRequest(5)).await.unwrap();
+								panic!("This one should not run");
+							}),
+							Box::pin(async {
+								wait_out.next().await.expect("something?");
+							}),
+						)
+						.await;
 					})
 					.await;
-					srv_ctx.exit().await.unwrap();
-					client_ctx.exit().await.unwrap();
-				})
-			);
-		})
+					right.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+					left.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+				}),
+			),
+		));
+	}
+
+	#[test]
+	fn late_cancel() {
+		let (left, right) = test_pair();
+		let (send, mut recv) = mpsc::channel(0);
+		let right_srv_fut = right.srv.listen(
+			async |_| panic!("Expected a request"),
+			async |mut req| {
+				req.read_req::<DummyRequest>().await?;
+				let mut reply_writer = req.start_reply().await?;
+				let (stop_wait, wait) = oneshot::channel();
+				send.clone().send(stop_wait).await.unwrap();
+				wait.await.unwrap();
+				(1 as <DummyRequest as Request>::Response).encode(reply_writer.writer()).await?;
+				reply_writer.finish().await
+			},
+		);
+		spin_on(join3(
+			async { right_srv_fut.await.unwrap() },
+			with_label("client", listen_no_ingress(left.srv)),
+			async {
+				with_stash(Box::pin(async {
+					select(
+						Box::pin(async {
+							left.client.request(DummyRequest(5)).await.unwrap();
+							panic!("This one should not run");
+						}),
+						Box::pin(async { recv.next().await.unwrap().send(()) }),
+					)
+					.await;
+				}))
+				.await;
+				right.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+				left.cx.exit().await.unwrap();
+			},
+		));
 	}
 }
diff --git a/orchid-base/src/stash.rs b/orchid-base/src/stash.rs
index d761899..fff9c2a 100644
--- a/orchid-base/src/stash.rs
+++ b/orchid-base/src/stash.rs
@@ -148,41 +148,34 @@ mod test {
 	#[test]
 	fn run_stashed_future() {
 		let (mut send, recv) = mpsc::channel(0);
-		spin_on(
-			false,
-			join(
-				with_stash(async {
-					let mut send1 = send.clone();
+		spin_on(join(
+			with_stash(async {
+				let mut send1 = send.clone();
+				stash(async move {
+					send1.send(1).await.unwrap();
+				});
+				let mut send1 = send.clone();
+				stash(async move {
+					let mut send2 = send1.clone();
 					stash(async move {
-						send1.send(1).await.unwrap();
+						send2.send(2).await.unwrap();
 					});
-					let mut send1 = send.clone();
+					send1.send(3).await.unwrap();
 					stash(async move {
-						let mut send2 = send1.clone();
-						stash(async move {
-							send2.send(2).await.unwrap();
-						});
-						send1.send(3).await.unwrap();
-						stash(async move {
-							send1.send(4).await.unwrap();
-						})
-					});
-					let mut send1 = send.clone();
-					stash(async move {
-						send1.send(5).await.unwrap();
-					});
-					send.send(6).await.unwrap();
-				}),
-				async {
-					let mut results = recv.take(6).collect::<Vec<_>>().await;
-					results.sort();
-					assert_eq!(
-						&results,
-						&[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6],
-						"all variations completed in unspecified order"
-					);
-				},
-			),
-		);
+						send1.send(4).await.unwrap();
+					})
+				});
+				let mut send1 = send.clone();
+				stash(async move {
+					send1.send(5).await.unwrap();
+				});
+				send.send(6).await.unwrap();
+			}),
+			async {
+				let mut results = recv.take(6).collect::<Vec<_>>().await;
+				results.sort();
+				assert_eq!(&results, &[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6], "all variations completed in unspecified order");
+			},
+		));
 	}
 }
diff --git a/orchid-extension/src/entrypoint.rs b/orchid-extension/src/entrypoint.rs
index b047120..cfb5c33 100644
--- a/orchid-extension/src/entrypoint.rs
+++ b/orchid-extension/src/entrypoint.rs
@@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ use itertools::Itertools;
 use orchid_api_traits::{Decode, Encode, Request, UnderRoot, enc_vec};
 use orchid_async_utils::{Handle, JoinError, to_task};
 use orchid_base::{
-	Client, ClientExt, CommCtx, Comment, MsgReader, MsgReaderExt, ReqHandleExt, ReqReaderExt,
+	Client, ClientExt, CommCx, Comment, IoComm, MsgReader, MsgReaderExt, ReqHandleExt, ReqReaderExt,
 	Snippet, Sym, TokenVariant, Witness, char_filter_match, char_filter_union, es, io_comm, is, log,
 	mk_char_filter, try_with_reporter, ttv_from_api, with_interner, with_logger, with_stash,
 };
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ use crate::{
 
 task_local::task_local! {
 	static CLIENT: Rc<dyn Client>;
-	static CTX: Rc<RefCell<Option<CommCtx>>>;
+	static CTX: Rc<RefCell<Option<CommCx>>>;
 }
 
 fn get_client() -> Rc<dyn Client> { CLIENT.get() }
@@ -51,7 +51,7 @@ pub async fn exit() {
 
 /// Set the client used for global [request] and [notify] functions within the
 /// runtime of this future
-pub async fn with_comm<F: Future>(c: Rc<dyn Client>, ctx: CommCtx, fut: F) -> F::Output {
+pub async fn with_comm<F: Future>(c: Rc<dyn Client>, ctx: CommCx, fut: F) -> F::Output {
 	CLIENT.scope(c, CTX.scope(Rc::new(RefCell::new(Some(ctx))), fut)).await
 }
 
@@ -194,9 +194,9 @@ impl ExtensionBuilder {
 		ctx.output.as_mut().flush().await.unwrap();
 		let logger1 = LoggerImpl::from_api(&host_header.logger);
 		let logger2 = logger1.clone();
-		let (client, comm_ctx, extension_srv) = io_comm(ctx.output, ctx.input);
+		let IoComm { client, cx: comm_ctx, srv } = io_comm(ctx.output, ctx.input);
 		// this future will be ready once the extension cleanly exits
-		let extension_fut = extension_srv.listen(
+		let extension_fut = srv.listen(
 			async |n: Box<dyn MsgReader<'_>>| {
 				let notif = n.read().await.unwrap();
 				match notif {
diff --git a/orchid-host/src/extension.rs b/orchid-host/src/extension.rs
index 2f1da00..9920fb5 100644
--- a/orchid-host/src/extension.rs
+++ b/orchid-host/src/extension.rs
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ use hashbrown::{HashMap, HashSet};
 use itertools::Itertools;
 use orchid_api_traits::{Decode, Encode, Request};
 use orchid_base::{
-	AtomRepr, Client, ClientExt, CommCtx, FmtCtxImpl, Format, IStr, IStrv, MsgReaderExt, Pos,
+	AtomRepr, Client, ClientExt, CommCx, FmtCtxImpl, Format, IStr, IStrv, IoComm, MsgReaderExt, Pos,
 	ReqHandleExt, ReqReaderExt, Sym, Witness, es, ev, io_comm, is, iv, log, stash, with_stash,
 };
 
@@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ pub struct ReqPair<R: Request>(R, Sender<R::Response>);
 pub struct ExtensionData {
 	name: String,
 	ctx: Ctx,
-	comm_cx: Option<CommCtx>,
+	comm_cx: Option<CommCx>,
 	join_ext: Option<Box<dyn JoinHandle>>,
 	client: Rc<dyn Client>,
 	systems: Vec<SystemCtor>,
@@ -82,12 +82,12 @@ impl Extension {
 		let header2 = header.clone();
 		Ok(Self(Rc::new_cyclic(|weak: &Weak<ExtensionData>| {
 			// context not needed because exit is extension-initiated
-			let (client, comm_cx, comm) = io_comm(init.input, init.output);
+			let IoComm { client, cx: comm_cx, srv } = io_comm(init.input, init.output);
 			let weak2 = weak;
 			let weak = weak.clone();
 			let ctx2 = ctx.clone();
 			let join_ext = ctx.clone().spawn(Duration::ZERO, async move {
-				comm
+				srv
 					.listen(
 						async |reader| {
 							with_stash(async {
diff --git a/orchid.code-workspace b/orchid.code-workspace
index e3120e1..5cdc9f4 100644
--- a/orchid.code-workspace
+++ b/orchid.code-workspace
@@ -47,6 +47,9 @@
           "--logs=msg>stderr",
           "exec",
           "1 + 1"
+        ],
+        "initCommands": [
+          "settings set target.disable-aslr false"
         ]
       },
       {